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Scaling Laws

Scaling Laws

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Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host hearings on AI and draft new AI bills, and the ones that are top of mind for tech-savvy law and policy students. Co-hosts Alan Rozenshtein, Professor...

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Rapid Response on the AI Preemption Executive Order

Rapid Response on the AI Preemption Executive Order

In this rapid response episode, Lawfare senior editors Alan Rozenshtein and Kevin Frazier and Lawfare Tarbell fellow Jakub Kraus discuss President Tru...

2025-12-13 03:44:00 56:12
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Graham Dufault on small businesses and navigating EU AI laws

Graham Dufault on small businesses and navigating EU AI laws

Graham Dufault, General Counsel at ACT | The App Association, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of L...

2025-12-09 17:00:00 45:17
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Caleb Withers on the Cybersecurity Frontier in the Age of AI

Caleb Withers on the Cybersecurity Frontier in the Age of AI

Caleb Withers, a researcher at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texa...

2025-12-02 17:00:00 48:17
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A Startup's Perspective on AI Policy

A Startup's Perspective on AI Policy

Andrew Prystai, CEO and co-founder of Vesta, and Thomas Bueler-Faudree, co-founder of August Law, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at...

2025-11-25 17:00:00 51:48
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Anthropic's General Counsel, Jeff Bleich, Explores the Intersection of Law, Business, and Emerging Technology

Anthropic's General Counsel, Jeff Bleich, Explores the Intersection of Law, Business, and Emerging Technology

Jeff Bleich, General Counsel at Anthropic, former Chief Legal Officer at Cruise, and former Ambassador to Australia during the Obama administration, j...

2025-11-18 17:00:00 36:51
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The AI Economy and You: How AI Is, Will, and May Alter the Nature of Work and Economic Growth with Anton Korinek, Nathan Goldschlag, and Bharat Chander

The AI Economy and You: How AI Is, Will, and May Alter the Nature of Work and Economic Growth with Anton Korinek, Nathan Goldschlag, and Bharat Chander

Anton Korinek, a professor of economics at the University of Virginia and newly appointed economist to Anthropic's Economic Advisory Council, Nathan G...

2025-11-11 17:00:00 43:56
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Anthropic's Gabriel Nicholas Analyzes AI Agents

Anthropic's Gabriel Nicholas Analyzes AI Agents

Gabriel Nicholas, a member of the Product Public Policy team at Anthropic, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texa...

2025-11-04 18:57:44 48:50
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The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta

The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta

Alan Rozenshtein, senior editor at Lawfare, spoke with Brett Goldstein, special advisor to the chancellor on national security and strategic initiativ...

2025-10-28 14:00:00 55:26
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Sen. Scott Wiener on California Senate Bill 53

Sen. Scott Wiener on California Senate Bill 53

California State Senator Scott Wiener, author of Senate Bill 53--a frontier AI safety bill--signed into law by Governor Newsom earlier this month, joi...

2025-10-21 15:00:00 49:06
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Is AI conscious? How can we know? And, if so, what next?

Is AI conscious? How can we know? And, if so, what next?

Mosharaf Chowdhury, associate professor at the University of Michigan and director of the ML Energy lab, and Dan Zhao, AI researcher at MIT, GoogleX,...

2025-10-14 15:00:00 51:32
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AI Safety Meet Trust & Safety with Ravi Iyer and David Sullivan

AI Safety Meet Trust & Safety with Ravi Iyer and David Sullivan

David Sullivan, Executive Director of the Digital Trust & Safety Partnership, and Rayi Iyer, Managing Director of the Psychology of Technology Institu...

2025-10-07 16:00:00 46:40
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Rapid Response: California Governor Newsom Signs SB-53

Rapid Response: California Governor Newsom Signs SB-53

In this Scaling Laws rapid response episode, hosts Kevin Frazier and Alan Rozenshtein talk about SB-53, the frontier AI transparency (and more) law th...

2025-10-01 04:12:47 36:22
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The Ivory Tower and AI (Live from IHS's Technology, Liberalism, and Abundance Conference).

The Ivory Tower and AI (Live from IHS's Technology, Liberalism, and Abundance Conference).

Neil Chilson, Head of AI Policy at the Abundance Institute, and Gus Hurwitz, Senior Fellow and CTIC Academic Director at Penn Carey Law School and Dir...

2025-09-30 15:00:00 42:33
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AI and Young Minds: Navigating Mental Health Risks with Renee DiResta and Jess Miers

AI and Young Minds: Navigating Mental Health Risks with Renee DiResta and Jess Miers

Alan Rozenshtein, Renee DiResta, and Jess Miers discuss the distinct risks that generative AI systems pose to children, particularly in relation to me...

2025-09-23 15:00:00 58:50
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AI Copyright Lawsuits with Pam Samuelson

AI Copyright Lawsuits with Pam Samuelson

On today's Scaling Laws episode, Alan Rozenshtein sat down with Pam Samuelson, the Richard M. Sherman Distinguished Professor of Law at the University...

2025-09-16 09:17:23 59:05
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AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement

AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement

Joshua Gans, a professor at the University of Toronto and co-author of "Power and Prediction: The Disruptive Economics of Artificial Intelligence," jo...

2025-09-11 06:00:00 57:56
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The State of AI Safety with Steven Adler

The State of AI Safety with Steven Adler

Steven Adler, former OpenAI safety researcher, author of Clear-Eyed AI on Substack, and independent AGI-readiness researcher, joins Kevin Frazier, AI...

2025-09-09 07:00:00 47:23
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Contrasting and Conflicting Efforts to Regulate Big Tech: EU v. US

Contrasting and Conflicting Efforts to Regulate Big Tech: EU v. US

Anu Bradford, Professor at Columbia Law School, and Kate Klonick, Senior Editor at Lawfare and Associate Professor at St. John's University School of...

2025-09-02 06:00:00 46:15
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Uncle Sam Buys In: Examining the Intel Deal

Uncle Sam Buys In: Examining the Intel Deal

Peter E. Harrell, Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University...

2025-08-28 06:00:00 47:34
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AI in the Classroom with MacKenzie Price, Alpha School co-founder, and Rebecca Winthrop, leader of the Brookings Global Task Force on AI in Education

AI in the Classroom with MacKenzie Price, Alpha School co-founder, and Rebecca Winthrop, leader of the Brookings Global Task Force on AI in Education

MacKenzie Price, co-founder of Alpha School, and Rebecca Winthrop, a senior fellow and director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings...

2025-08-26 06:00:00 1:20:43
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The Open Questions Surrounding Open Source AI with Nathan Lambert and Keegan McBride

The Open Questions Surrounding Open Source AI with Nathan Lambert and Keegan McBride

Keegan McBride, Senior Policy Advisor in Emerging Technology and Geopolitics at the Tony Blair Institute, and Nathan Lambert, a post-training lead at...

2025-08-21 06:00:00 45:17
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Export Controls: Janet Egan, Sam Winter-Levy, and Peter Harrell on the White House's Semiconductor Decision

Export Controls: Janet Egan, Sam Winter-Levy, and Peter Harrell on the White House's Semiconductor Decision

Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, sat down with Sam Winter-Levy, a fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Car...

2025-08-19 06:00:00 53:37
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Navigating AI Policy: Dean Ball on Insights from the White House

Navigating AI Policy: Dean Ball on Insights from the White House

Join us on Scaling Laws as we delve into the intricate world of AI policy with Dean Ball, former senior policy advisor at the White House's Office of...

2025-08-14 06:00:00 58:11
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The Legal Maze of AI Liability: Anat Lior on Bridging Law and Emerging Tech

The Legal Maze of AI Liability: Anat Lior on Bridging Law and Emerging Tech

In this episode, we talk about the intricate world of AI liability through the lens of agency law. Join us as Anat Lior explores the compelling case f...

2025-08-12 06:00:00 46:41
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Values in AI: Safety, Ethics, and Innovation with OpenAI's Brian Fuller

Values in AI: Safety, Ethics, and Innovation with OpenAI's Brian Fuller

Brian Fuller, product policy leader at OpenAI joins Kevin on the challenges of designing policies that ensure AI technologies are safe, aligned, and s...

2025-08-07 06:00:00 50:28
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Because of Woke: Renée DiResta and Alan Rozenshtein on the ‘Woke AI’ Executive Order

Because of Woke: Renée DiResta and Alan Rozenshtein on the ‘Woke AI’ Executive Order

Renée DiResta, an Associate Research Professor at the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown join Alan Rozenshtein and Kevin Frazier, to take a...

2025-08-05 06:00:00 46:48
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Moving the AGI Goal Posts: AI Skepticism with Sayash Kapoor

Moving the AGI Goal Posts: AI Skepticism with Sayash Kapoor

In this episode of Scaling Laws, Kevin Frazier is joined by Sayash Kapoor, co-author of "AI Snake Oil," to explore the complexities of AI development...

2025-07-31 06:00:00 58:32
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A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

In this episode, join Kevin Frazier as he delves into the complex world of AI regulation with experts Lauren Wagner of the Abundance Institute and And...

2025-07-30 12:21:38 55:30
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AI Action Plan: Janet Egan, Jessica Brandt, Neil Chilson, and Tim Fist

AI Action Plan: Janet Egan, Jessica Brandt, Neil Chilson, and Tim Fist

Janet Egan, Senior Fellow with the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security, Jessica Brandt, Senior Fellow f...

2025-07-24 19:10:09 1:03:21
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Lt. Gen Jack Shanahan: Defense's AI Integration

Lt. Gen Jack Shanahan: Defense's AI Integration

Lt. Gen. (ret) Jack Shanahan joins Kevin Frazier to explore the nuanced landscape of AI in national security. Challenging the prevalent "AI arms race"...

2025-07-22 07:00:00 55:45
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Eugene Volokh: Navigating Libel and Liability in the AI Age

Eugene Volokh: Navigating Libel and Liability in the AI Age

Kevin Frazier brings Eugene Volokh, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and UCLA law professor, to explore the complexities of libel in the age...

2025-07-17 07:00:00 58:29
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Cass Madison and Zach Boyd: State Level AI Regulation

Cass Madison and Zach Boyd: State Level AI Regulation

Cass Madison, the Executive Director of the Center for Civic Futures, and Zach Boyd, Director of the AI Policy Office at the State of Utah, join Kevin...

2025-07-15 06:00:00 41:32
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Ethan Mollick: Navigating the Uncertainty of AI Development

Ethan Mollick: Navigating the Uncertainty of AI Development

In this episode of Scaling Laws, Alan and Kevin discuss the current state of AI growth, focusing on scaling laws, the future of AGI, and the challenge...

2025-07-10 06:00:00 1:06:11
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The AI Moratorium Goes Down in Flames

The AI Moratorium Goes Down in Flames

On the inaugural episode of Scaling Laws, co-hosts Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior E...

2025-07-02 17:18:21 55:32
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TRAILER: SCALING LAWS

TRAILER: SCALING LAWS

Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host...

2025-06-23 15:44:12 0:47
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Matt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban Bill

Matt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban Bill

Last week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social med...

2024-03-22 07:00:04 50:32
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Jawboning at the Supreme Court

Jawboning at the Supreme Court

Today, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.
On March 18, the Supreme Court heard oral ar...

2024-03-21 07:00:12 51:38
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How Are the TikTok Bans Holding Up in Court?

How Are the TikTok Bans Holding Up in Court?

In May 2023, Montana passed a new law that would ban the use of TikTok within the state starting on January 1, 2024. But as of today, TikTok is still...

2024-01-03 08:00:37 49:27
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Jeff Horwitz on Broken Code and Reporting on Facebook

Jeff Horwitz on Broken Code and Reporting on Facebook

In 2021, the Wall Street Journal published a monster scoop: a series of articles about Facebook’s inner workings, which showed that employees within t...

2023-12-20 08:00:55 53:58
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Will Generative AI Reshape Elections?

Will Generative AI Reshape Elections?

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape variou...

2023-11-29 08:00:15 49:03
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